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[00:00:04] All right. Well, hello, everyone. Thanks for joining us. My name is Penny and we’re so glad that you’re here with us today for this next session of Get Sellers Calling You. Beatty Carmichael is the CEO of Master Grabber, the creator of Agent Dominator and one of the top marketing experts in the real estate field. Beatty, I’m really excited about our call today. What do you have for us?
[00:00:27] Well, I’m excited, too. And for those listening, this a quick disclaimer and heads up, we do two types of calls. One focused on growing a real estate business. By the way, we’ll be doing more on that in the commercial sector as well. So you have commercial business. We got some really cool things on that. But the other type of topic we cover is on a spiritual nature. We call it radical faith. And it’s where we talk about Jesus talking about Jesus offense. You you don’t want to listen. Then you are forewarned and you can turn off this episode and come back to the next one. So that’s what we’re going to be talking about.
[00:01:10] Awesome. I’m so excited.
[00:01:12] Yes. Well, I’m kind of excited about this on this call, too, because this is, again, one of those studies I’ve done that I thought I’m going down this path and I know the answer. And then I start to search scriptures and I go, Huh? That’s not the answer I was really expecting.
[00:01:31] So kind of as a way of an intro, things are not always as they may seem. Okay, well, let me ask you a question. Jesus is up on the cross.
[00:01:44] You remember that. You remember Jesus Christ. Just making sure that Jesus is up on the cross. And the question is, did God forsake him while he was there?
[00:01:57] What do you think? No. No.
[00:02:04] Yes. Yes. Well, yes, because I know that God turned his back on the thing. He wasn’t turning his back on Jesus.
[00:02:14] He was turning his back on the sin that was upon Jesus. And Jesus cried out, Why have you forsaken me?
[00:02:23] So I could be both of you. You may be right, because a lot of times there’s multiple dimensions and God’s kingdom.
[00:02:37] So it’s not always linear and black and white. But for the sake of discussion, just kind of go down this path.
[00:02:45] If you had to choose one or the other. Most likely. Did God forsake Jesus while he was on the cross or did God not forsake him? He did not.
[00:02:59] Okay, give me your reasoning behind it. Do you have any scripture to back that up?
[00:03:06] I can’t think of any off the top of my head. I’m basing it on just what I know to be the nature and character of God.
[00:03:14] Okay, great. Good God. Good woman. All right. So now Jesus does say, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? So does that mean that Jesus was wrong?
[00:03:30] No.
[00:03:32] Jesus was right.
[00:03:34] If that’s what he was feeling in the moment. We know that Jesus was perfect. So even though sometimes our feelings can lie to us.
[00:03:46] That’s a good question. That’s a good question.
[00:03:50] It is because a lot of people say, well, God, obviously for Jesus on the cross because Jesus said he did. You actually have a more accurate answer in reasoning behind it than you may realize. So this is where things are not always as they seem. You have to really look deeper underneath the surface and try to understand what’s going on. So let me get you real quickly to turn to Psalm 22.
[00:04:22] Let me give you a little background on Psalm 22. This is David in the Spirit, writing about the crucifixion. This is David watching. I’m assuming he’s seen it take place or it’s a vision, but he is see, he is writing down what the Lord has shown him. Just start reading the beginning of Psalm 22. And I just want to set the stage of what’s going on here.
[00:04:54] My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me so far from my cries of anguish? Oh, my God. Okay.
[00:05:06] So Jesus is quoting Psalm 22? Actually, no. David is writing what Jesus says. And so David is actually quoting Jesus as opposed to Jesus quoting David. Does that make sense? Mm hmm. So here we have Jesus saying, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? As you read through Song 22, you see all the things about the crucifixion. You see them. They take my clothes. They cast lot from my clothes. They split them among I am pierced my my ribs, stand out, all these things that happen in crucifixion. So we know very clearly this is the crucifixion. But down real quickly to verse 24 and tell me. But first, 24 says was 24.
[00:05:58] He has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one. He has not hidden his face from him, but has listened to his cry for help.
[00:06:09] So this is talking about God. And it says that he has not hidden his face from him. Jesus says, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
[00:06:19] And down here, it says that God never forsook and he never hid his face.
[00:06:27] What in the world could be going on in this interesting. Fascinating. Thanks are not always as they seem, are they?
[00:06:36] No, definitely not.
[00:06:37] You got to dig a little bit deeper, especially when you want to really understand what’s really going on and how to apply it in your life, how to live in a way that the Lord called us to live and what actually is going on. You’ve got to dig deeper to tap into a session we just recently did on when bad things happen. Is it God’s will? Got some interesting observations there. So let me share it, because this is not the focus of the call. But I thought this was an interesting way to start it. Let me share kind of what’s going on.
[00:07:10] Have you ever heard the top concept that thin blinds you from the truth? Scene creates a veil over our eyes. And this is the whole idea of the wedding ceremony. The bride wears a veil and the bridegroom takes the veil off. And now she can see clearly as a as a foreshadowing of the spiritual. Ceremony with Jesus. And where the bride takes the veil of sin that blocks our vision. So when Jesus is on the cross, he became sin. And as soon as he became sin, a veil came over his eyes and he could no longer see the father. My God, my God, why do you forsaken me? David is saying, I’m right here. God never first took you sin blocks. Okay. So a lot of times we all believe what we’ve been told. But sometimes we don’t really know why we believe it. Other times we believe a certain way because we read God’s word and it says this and someone else reads that word and they get something totally different out of it. And the question is kind of flood what’s right. So I want to move into the topic now because it’s a bigger topic. Here’s a question.
[00:08:49] Does everyone who accepts Christ go to heaven? In other words, once you’ve accepted Christ, can you lose that salvation?
[00:09:00] Oh, gosh, that’s one of those questions that just gets so there’s so much controversy.
[00:09:09] Let’s go. Let’s go back. Let’s go back to the root of the question. Does everyone who accepts Christ go to heaven?
[00:09:16] Yes.
[00:09:18] Why do you believe that?
[00:09:23] Because the Bible says.
[00:09:28] It says, if you believe in the Lord Jesus, he will be saved.
[00:09:34] Is that accepting or believing or are those the same?
[00:09:39] Well, maybe that’s the translation I learned.
[00:09:43] So let me let me ask you. Are you absolutely positive? That everyone who accepts Christ go to heaven.
[00:09:56] I have to be honest, I’m not actually positive now that we’re doing this call and I’ll catch you on a number of things in the past, you’re starting to think Beatty may know something. I don’t. I’m not going to be quite so positive. Right. Right. Okay. Well, good job. Don’t be positive. Okay. Okay.
[00:10:19] So the topic of this series that we’re going to do, and it’s going to be multi part because it’s really threw out all scripture, especially New Testament. And that is the question does do all who accept Christ go to heaven?
[00:10:35] This call is going to be part number one. We’re going to lay the foundation and then we’re going to start to dissect it. And this isn’t for just simply an intellectual pursuit of just saying, here’s what scripture say. But really to try to understand. What is God calling us to do and why? And as I’ve gone through this myself, here’s the net result. I’ve changed my perspective of what’s most important. It’s really amazing. Okay, just a quick disclaimer. I don’t have all the answers. This is one of those topics that you mentioned. Everyone has all kinds of different opinions. Scripture is constantly, consistently true is the question of what are we and how we interpreting and why. So we don’t want to share is is what I believe the Lord is directing me in understanding. So I want to talk about some of the controversial versus real quickly. So this kind of tees up why this is such a difficult topic. So let’s go to Matthew ten, verse 22.
[00:11:39] Okay. All right.
[00:11:43] By the way, this is this is all these things we’re going to go through for passages. And they’re all Jesus talking. So go ahead, Matthew, 10 22.
[00:11:52] You will be hated by everyone because of all. But the one who stands firm to the end will be saved, stands firm to the end.
[00:12:02] Okay, that’s interesting. Let’s use also ESV translation on these. Let’s now go to Matthew 24 and we’re going to read verses 10 and 13, 10 and 13.
[00:12:21] 24, verse 10 and 13 percent says and then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And then verse 13 says, But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
[00:12:37] And they translates that first verse. And then many will fall away from the face. Okay, here we see. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. Let’s now go to mark 13.
[00:12:53] Martin, 13 versus 12 and 13. Let’s see what that says.
[00:12:58] All right. Verse twelve. And brother will deliver brother over to death. And the father, his child and the children will rise against parents and have them put to death. And you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
[00:13:17] We see that again. The one who endures to the end. Makes you wonder, well, does that mean not all people who accept Christ? Go to heaven because why would Jesus keep talking about enduring to the end? Let’s look at one more loop, 21, 17 through 19.
[00:13:42] All right, 17 to 19 says you will be hated by all for my name’s sake, but not a hair of your head will perish by your endurance. You will gain your lives.
[00:13:56] There we have it again. Here’s the question. When Jesus teaches that you must endure to the end to be saved. Does that mean that some people don’t endure to the end?
[00:14:09] Yes, I could see how some people probably give up or decide that I’m done with this. Okay, okay.
[00:14:17] But the fact that Jesus is teaching that you had to endure to the end indicates that there are obviously those who don’t endure to the end. Does that make sense? Yes. By the way, here’s something else interesting. This was so important, apparently, that God put it in. The scriptures four separate times just by Jesus. We’re going to say that this concept is pervasive.
[00:14:43] But four separate times by Jesus.
[00:14:45] If people don’t endure to the end, then does that mean that they don’t go to heaven?
[00:14:53] I’d like to investigate that a little further.
[00:14:56] Okay, so let me ask this question. Does being Sayed.
[00:15:00] Does that. Men going to heaven. Do you think?
[00:15:05] According to what we just read. No.
[00:15:09] Okay, can you give me some scripture to back up? We’re saved in heaven. Don’t necessarily go together.
[00:15:18] Well, the ones we just read, Jesus was speaking in reference to being saved and said those who Indore to the end. So three times we read that right.
[00:15:30] So those who who endure to the end will be saved. Can we probably transliterate that? Those who endured to the end will make it to heaven. Probably is just kind of lame, the fact that Jesus is talking about being saved. Going to what we talk about going to heaven. Probably one in the same with that. Would you agree with that?
[00:15:52] Yes, I would.
[00:15:54] Okay. So if Jesus is saying. Or so is Jesus saying that whether or not they endure determines whether or not they are saved?
[00:16:11] That’s a very deep thought. I think so. I think that would go hand in hand. Okay, one influences the other.
[00:16:24] Right. So what we’re going to find out as we go through it, it’s either a determining factor or an indicative factor. It’s either the evidence had been saved or they determine that they are to be saved. So we’re going to see what the scripture talks about a little bit more. So when Jesus came to Earth, here’s another question. What was the main message that he preached? In other words, why did he come to Earth?
[00:16:50] He preached the kingdom of heaven is near. He preached to be safe so that you could go to heaven. That was his message, to believe him to get right there.
[00:17:02] So true. So he never really preaches forgiveness.
[00:17:07] Have you ever noticed that he didn’t have to come to Earth for forgiveness because God gave people all through the Old Testament.
[00:17:16] He didn’t come to Earth specifically for salvation. You said that on. He came to preach the kingdom of heaven. In fact, this is his common theme. If you can finish the sentence, repent for the kingdom of heaven is near or near here at hand. It’s right here in our midst. Okay, so we had this thing called repentance and forgiveness, salvation going to have been saved. All these things are part of the kingdom of God. But what Jesus came to do was much more holistic than just being saved or forgiven. And I think that if we start to then understand what the kingdom of God really means. And understand more about that make more sense. Why? What Jesus talking about enduring to the end really means if we want to understand what Jesus means, the one who endures to the end. We have to go back to his core message that he’s always teaching repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. And if we understand the kingdom of God, then we can then figure out what he really means about enduring to the end. Does that hurt? So with that then the question is. When Jesus taught on the kingdom of God, because that’s most of what he taught on what was his primary method of teaching about the kingdom of God.
[00:18:52] Do you recall the parable parables? Good job. Okay. So if we want to understand the kingdom of God, let’s look at some of the parables, because that’s what he teaches through which other parables is the most important in understanding.
[00:19:11] All of the parables. Do you recall which one?
[00:19:15] Oh, gosh. He had so many. The one that’s popping out is the seed and the sower. But that might not be the one you’re thinking of.
[00:19:28] Did many good jobs go to Mark for verse 13? This is a commentary of Jesus on the parable of the seed in the summer.
[00:19:41] Okay.
[00:19:42] Four, verse 13. And he said to them, do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?
[00:19:53] So here’s something here’s something real interesting. The parable of the seat in the Sower, I believe I’m correct, is the only parable in all three of the synoptic gospels. That’s the same. And it’s the only one where Jesus gives a parable and gives the interpretation. In fact, I think it’s the only one that he gives the interpretation on. And he says here that if you don’t understand this parable, you cannot understand any of the parables because this parable unlocks all the other parable. So this is a pretty important message on understanding the kingdom of God. Makes sense. Yes. Okay, so now let’s read into this. Let’s go read the parable of the Sower, and we’re going to do this in Matthew. Okay. Okay. So, Matthew, 13 versus three through eight.
[00:20:53] All right. And he told them many things in parables saying a sower went out to sow as he sowed some seeds, fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Other seeds fell on rocky ground where they did not have much soil. And immediately they sprang up since they had no depth of soil. But when the sun rose, they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain. Some 100 fold. Some 60, some 30. He who has ears let them hear.
[00:21:37] Very good. So now we have the soil where the seed goes out. And now we’re going to replay what Jesus says this means. That’s going to be verses 18 through 23.
[00:21:53] Here, then, the parable of the sower, when anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it. The evil one comes and snatches away what has been found in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. As for what was shown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately received it with joy. Yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while. And when tribulation or persecutions persecution arises on account of the word immediately, he falls away. As for what was sown amongst thorns, this is the one who hears the word. But the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word. And it proves unfruitful. As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands that he indeed bears fruit and yields in one case a hundredfold and another 60 in another 30.
[00:22:51] All right, great. So now we’re going back to the Requestion. Does everyone who accept Christ go to heaven? We say that Jesus says only the one who endures to the end will be saved.
[00:23:05] We now go into this parable. He starts to describe it. So now let’s get an understanding of this parable as we go in. So there are several parts about this parable that we need to break down first just to really kind of understand a little bit more. The first one is the seed. Okay, this is the seed and the seed is a key part. Here’s the question. What is the seed?
[00:23:33] The word.
[00:23:34] Okay, so, Jesus, the seed is the word, the word of the kingdom. And what is the word Jesus?
[00:23:45] Yeah. Okay, John, one one in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
[00:23:52] So the seed is Jesus. Right. Okay. Very interesting. So then we have the next. Let’s look at the four soils. Okay. What did the soils represent?
[00:24:07] The beginning part where he described it, yes.
[00:24:12] When he’s throwing when you’re trying to sort out what do the soils represent, there are four types of soil. So what what did they representative of?
[00:24:21] A person’s heart, a person’s heart. Okay, so four types of heart, four types of people, right. What separates one heart from another? What separates one group of people versus the other group of people?
[00:24:39] The state or the beating of their heart? The state of their heart.
[00:24:45] But less and less narrowed a little bit more. Okay. Okay. I’d like to suggest the stewardship of the seed, which is it represents, to say, the heart, but the state of heart is exemplified and evidenced by how its stewards see. Does that make sense? Okay, so what differentiates one soil from another, one type of person from another is stewardship of the seed. And then if the seed is Jesus and the soil represents the different types of people. What does that mean, that all people receive Jesus?
[00:25:27] No.
[00:25:33] Goes out, the soda goes out and sows the seed. Jesus. Yes. And does the same get sewn on all four soils?
[00:25:47] Yes.
[00:25:49] All four soils receive the seed sown.
[00:25:55] Correct.
[00:25:56] Okay.
[00:25:58] So let me ask the question again. If they did this soil, it’s not a trick question. It’s a question that.
[00:26:06] We usually don’t consider because it doesn’t make sense based on what we’ve been taught. But we have to do is we have to dig deeper than what we’ve been taught and see what the word says. Because what we’ve been taught may not be. What the world says, it may be something slightly different. So here’s the question at the seat is Jesus and the soul represents people then does that mean that all people receive Jesus? Yes, it does. In fact, Romans, what does it Romans one tells us that everyone has the heart of the law of the Lord written on their hearts already. They see God’s law in the skies and in everything. So everyone has received the truth. Jesus says the high priest prayer when he’s praying to the Lord of the tables. He says, Die word is truth. God’s word is truth. Jesus is the word. Jesus is the seed. And we see truth everywhere in nature that that proclaims God. So everyone has received that seed. But that doesn’t mean they’ve done anything with it. That’s the key. So now we’ve got the seed. We’ve got the soils. Now we have. Fruit, fruit is really the key message that Jesus is teaching about. And he basically basically says that here’s my way of just kind of transliterating a little bit. Only those who produce fruit or are going to be.
[00:27:46] Right, that’s basically what we can start to see in his message, and I want to unpack that with fruit.
[00:27:55] Fruit is the key to this parable. Fruit is only found in one soil. Soil is that good soil, the good soil. Okay, great.
[00:28:05] And I want it just for sake of purpose. I’m going to label these soils as soil one, two, three and four soil. One is the path to the rocky soil soil. Three is the thorns and soil for the good soil. And then that way we can just kind of keep keep it simple.
[00:28:23] Okay, so what we had to do is understand what is fruit. So if I were to ask you, what is fruit? This is the kid. This is the key to understanding everything is this fruit? What is it?
[00:28:40] Fruit is what is produced from the seed.
[00:28:47] Very good.
[00:28:49] But what is it that’s the prize? What can we call it the result? The seed managed and held and cared for properly.
[00:29:08] All right. All right. We’re gonna get there. Let me back up and just kind of bring us into this, because I think this is kind of fun. So seed one of the times another sessions. I was talking about the Bible has been written by one author. Would you agree with that? Yes. Okay. Now, that author inspired many men to actually pen that one author’s thoughts, but it’s all one author, which is God himself. Exactly. So anytime you have a book, you have characters in the book and those characters keep coming up and they always are the characters that they were.
[00:29:54] In other words, if I’m reading a book and let’s say, say, a Tom Clancy novel, I used to read those years back and he introduces a guy named Gosh, I forget the guy, but he introduces a couple of guys up front in the novel.
[00:30:13] Then throughout the novel, every time he calls that person up by name. John did this or John did that.
[00:30:19] It’s always that person that he introduced and described at the beginning. Does that make sense? Yes. So the character goes throughout. So we see that same thing in the scriptures.
[00:30:31] We see it with fig trees, olive trees. We see it with light, darkness. We see it with soils. We see it with seed. We see all kinds of thing. So the question is, what does seed represent? What is the character of seed? I like to show you something because this is really cool.
[00:30:46] Where does God first introduce his character seed?
[00:30:54] In the Garden of Eden, if I’m not mistaken, a little bit before.
[00:31:00] Oh, you’ll have to tell me.
[00:31:05] Let’s go to Genesis 111.
[00:31:10] During creation, now, Save was obviously present in the Garden of Eden, but he introduces what it is.
[00:31:19] During creation, Genesis one 11 with 11 and God said, let the earth sprout vegetation plants yielding seeds and fruit trees bearing fruit and which is their seed, each according to its own kind on the earth.
[00:31:36] And it was so seed reproduces after its own time. We used today’s technology words that carries all the DNA to reproduce an exact replica of whatever it is, whatever it came from. Does that make sense? Yeah. And then where is seed formed?
[00:32:03] Well. See, far and within the fruit.
[00:32:08] The fruit is the womb of the seed. Interesting, isn’t it?
[00:32:15] I mean, we know that it is insane to think of it that way.
[00:32:18] Okay, so this makes sense. A seed is planted. It has to die. Once it dies. It’s burst again. Into a new plant after its own kind, as that plant matures, it produces fruit. And inside, the fruit seed is created so that the plant through the fruit can reproduce itself again. Does that. Soun.
[00:33:00] Similar to something else that we would think about in Christian terms. And that’s just what Jesus did. He came as a seed of God. Right. The exact replica. He dies and he’s planted into the ground, right into the temple. And then when he dies, he becomes born again into a exact replica. And he produces through. Okay. So we see this this pattern of the seed. And the fruit is the womb that causes that seed to produce fruit is in the process of where seed has been reproduced. Making sense? Yes. Okay, so then why does the characteristic of the seed. What is the characteristic of the fruit? It’s kind of an aside, but it kind of ties into this. If I were to say, what is the fruit of? Can you finish that sentence?
[00:34:13] What’s it called fruit of? Prudent spirit.
[00:34:19] So let’s look at that real quick. This is Galatians five. 22, 23. But I want you to do it in The Passion translation on this one, because I think this song articulates what it’s really saying.
[00:34:33] And you said the Galicians five, five, 22 and 23.
[00:34:50] All right, here we go. 22 and 23 says the fruit produced by the Holy Spirit within you is Divine Love in all its varied expressions.
[00:35:04] Such a perfect moment.
[00:35:07] A lot of times people say the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace.
[00:35:12] But I think what the term love is, the fruit of the spirit is singular, not plural. There’s not multiple fruits. There’s one. That’s why I love this translation that the fruit produced by the Holy Spirit within you. Is Divine Love in all its varied expressions. So now we’re talking about love. Where else do you recall what the Bible says about love? We’re talking about. This is Paul talking about different things and he said about love.
[00:35:43] First Corinthians 13, I think. Yeah. The love. We call it the love chapter in our house.
[00:35:49] Okay, good. All right. And it says that above all.
[00:35:54] First, love is, love is, and in fact, there’s here’s something else, it says Faith, hope and love abide. But the greatest of these is love. What are you saying? There is that of everything he’s been talking about, faith, hope and love. By that means that they are eternal.
[00:36:17] They never go away. Gifts go away. But faith, hope and love abide. But of all of those, the greatest of them is love. This is what Jimmy. This is who God is, representative. Mostly by the character. Bye bye, love. That’s what this is talking about. The fruit produced by the Holy Spirit within you is Divine Love in all its varied expressions. Okay, so now I’ll let you finish the passage from there. It’s now going to define and describe what that Divine Love, how that Divine Love manifests itself.
[00:36:55] Okay, joy that overflows peace, that some patience that endures kindness and action, a life full of virtue, faith that prevails, gentleness of heart and strength of spirit never set the law above these qualities. They are meant to be limitless.
[00:37:18] All right. So now let’s go back. See this Jesus? That’s what Jesus says is the word of God, right in the. Fruit is where the seed is formed. And that means really that seed, the fruit, is Jesus being formed in you and producing through you. Does that make sense? Yes. OK. So that’s really what I believe the fruit is talking about, is that Jesus has been formed in you. So here’s a question. If Jesus is formed in you, would you act like Jesus? We should be informed and you are going to carry the characteristics and the more he’s formed and living through, you carry those characteristics. What are some of the things that Jesus did that maybe if he was formed in you, you would likely do to.
[00:38:14] Oh, gosh. I mean, just naming things he did heal the sick, raise the dead. He helped all those that were oppressed. He lost. I mean, he loved first. And everything else was just an overflow of the love.
[00:38:33] He went preaching the message, the kingdom of God. Okay. Yeah. All this.
[00:38:38] All these things. Peace, patience, kindness.
[00:38:43] So that is evidence of the fruit. The fruit is Jesus being formed. But evidence of the fruit being formed into you is a manifestation of all these things that Jesus did. Bring a little bit more clarity, right? OK. So here’s the big question. If Jesus has never formed Inju, are you born again and go to heaven?
[00:39:12] Tom.
[00:39:15] According to all this. No.
[00:39:21] It’s not us that are righteous. It’s Jesus, in a sense, righteous, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay.
[00:39:29] Romans side, I think, says that the righteous fulfillment of the law, the righteous requirement of the law has been fulfilled. And you.
[00:39:36] And then we can connect the dots because Christ is in you.
[00:39:41] Who would it be safe to say that only those in soil number four. Hey, bear fruit. Which has been formed in them are the ones who are truly born again, are saved and go to heaven. Does that make sense, do you say? Yes. So now let’s look at the four soils. Real quick. No one is the past. This is verse four, so read that again. Let’s talk about that.
[00:40:16] And that was go back to that book when we were in Matthew 20.
[00:40:26] Excuse me, Matthew, 13, 13.
[00:40:33] I’m going to switch translations. I’ll go back to that.
[00:40:35] I actually actually I got. I think this is versus it’s not verse four that I want you to read is going to be verse probably 18 or 19.
[00:40:45] Let me go back. Yes.
[00:40:47] Okay. 18 and 19. Okay. So 19, when anyone hears the word of the kingdom does not understand it. The evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path.
[00:41:02] I know that.
[00:41:03] So that’s the one that’s sown along the path.
[00:41:06] Okay, let’s see.
[00:41:13] So that person has heard the word of the kingdom. And they do not understand it.
[00:41:18] Right. So how did they steward the seed? Or did they stay where the stayed at all?
[00:41:26] They didn’t. They didn’t do it because it just says that they did not understand it. And then the evil one came and snatched it away. So that leads me to believe they didn’t pursue understanding what had been spoken to them.
[00:41:40] Got you. So no wonder the path does not seem see deceit at all. It’s rejected. Correct. Since it doesn’t stay where the seed. Does the soil accept the seed? So there are two things you’ve got to accept it and you, Stuart. So did the soil ever accept the seed?
[00:42:07] No.
[00:42:08] No. Since the seed represents Christ, does that mean that this person did not accept Christ? That’s correct. And is this person born again? No. No. And how do we know that?
[00:42:26] Because it says.
[00:42:29] The evil one snatched it away. What was sewn in their heart? So Jesus was taken out from their heart. They can’t be born again.
[00:42:38] That’s right. Okay, perfect. So now we have soul. No one does not accept the seed, does not therefore steward the seed. The say never forms itself in them through fruit. They are not born again. They don’t go to heaven. Okay, so now let’s look at soil number two, the rocky ground. This is going to be versus 20 through 21.
[00:43:02] As for what was sown on Iraqi ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately received it with joy. Yet he has no root in himself but indoors for a while. And when tribulation or persecution persecution arises on account of the word, he immediately falls away.
[00:43:24] So does the soil accept the seed?
[00:43:32] A little bit, right? It tries to, but actually I think it’s a little bit a little bit deeper. Let’s go back to it and look and says yet he has no root in himself. Do you see that? If there is no.
[00:43:50] Yes, go ahead.
[00:43:51] If there’s if there’s no route, then did the soil ever accept it?
[00:43:58] Go in the soil, right?
[00:44:00] Yes. One head down.
[00:44:04] Have you ever seen trees or plants grow on the side of a cliff where it’s just wrong? Yes. Yes. Is there any. There’s no soil, but they can still grow by putting roots down a little bit around the rocks. Does that make sense? So the soil does accept the seed. And we know that because there’s no root and with no root, there’s no acceptance. How does the soil steward the seed?
[00:44:36] Well, it says as soon as he heard it, he received it with joy. Right. But because there’s no route. There’s nothing to anchor it when the hard things come, he falls away. He gives up.
[00:44:52] Notice it says that he has no root in himself, but endures for a while. What are those passages that Jesus says?
[00:45:00] What does it say about endurance to endure until the end?
[00:45:05] So this guy only endures for a while, but not to the end.
[00:45:09] Okay. So the soil doesn’t accept the seed. The soil stewards, the seed only poorly. It’s enough that it grew up, got excited. But it did not endure to the end. Here’s the question. Is this person born again?
[00:45:30] Now, how do we know that?
[00:45:35] Well, because they had no route. And because they chose to give up almost OK.
[00:45:42] So those are part of it. But the ultimate technical answers because there’s no fruit.
[00:45:50] Because fruit is where Christ is formed in you. And there’s no fruit. Therefore, there is no Christ formed in you. And only of Christ is formed. And you are truly born again. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So no one. Not a Christian. So, number two, they receive it with joy. A lot of people you share the gospel. They immediately pray the center’s prayer type of thing. And you may see some life change. They’re all excited, but they don’t endure.
[00:46:21] That wasn’t a what we would call in our Christian, these terms a true salvation. Christ was never formed in them. Now let’s look at soil number three. This is the one with the thorns. And this is going to be verse 22.
[00:46:35] As for what was done along with thorns, this is the one who hears the word. But the cares of the world and deceitfulness of riches choke the word. And it proved unfruitful.
[00:46:49] Turn also real quick, I want to show you one other passage on this that it gives a little bit more information. Luke Eighty-seven. It’s the same Jesus describing this, but he gives Luke eight, seven, gives one more piece of information. Let’s see if you can find that piece of information.
[00:47:06] And some fell among thorns and the thorns grew up with it and choked it. So this one. Thorns are growing up with the.
[00:47:17] Which means the seed is growing. Right. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Okay. So now let’s ask our questions, our diagnostic questions on this. Does the soil accept the seed?
[00:47:30] Yes. Yes.
[00:47:32] Okay. Now, remember, the soil represents people, represents your heart. The seed represents Jesus. So this soil accepts Jesus.
[00:47:44] Yes.
[00:47:45] Follow me. Okay. Okay, so the soil accepts Jesus because the soil accepts the seed.
[00:47:56] How does the soil steward the seed? How well is that seed stewarded? Well, it does it does the soil steward the seat at all. Let’s start with their.
[00:48:15] No.
[00:48:17] Maybe a little bit in the beginning, because it says when the cares of the world and deceitfulness come and you choke it.
[00:48:26] Okay, okay. Go back to Luke eight, seven.
[00:48:32] And some fell among thorns and the thorns grew up with it. Grew up with a plant that the seed produced but choked it. So this means that. They grew up means that it actually grew into a plant, which means that the soil did steward the seed enough to produce a plant. Okay, so here soil number three, except the seed. If we put this in human terms, someone accepts Jesus. It’s two words.
[00:49:03] The seed enough that it forms a plant. And that plan looks exactly like the replica of what the seed was reproducing, because it is. But is this person born again?
[00:49:22] No, because they do not endure to the end almost.
[00:49:27] Not that they don’t endure it to the end. There’s the key element. What’s the defining moment of whether someone’s born again?
[00:49:37] They don’t produce fruit.
[00:49:38] It’s Christ in you. Right. And the only way to have Christ in you that you have fruit. Where the seed is produced.
[00:49:51] You say that it was unfruitful.
[00:49:53] That’s right. There was no fruit. And now here’s a person who accepts Christ. Who manifest Christian type of behavior? Because the fruit grows up. But produces no fruit, which is evidence that Christ was never formed in them.
[00:50:17] They did not endure to the end. You had to endure longer for the verb to be formed, that may be one way to describe it. I don’t think that’s really an accurate statement. But there’s something else here. Why was fruit never produced?
[00:50:32] Because of the sarin.
[00:50:35] What are the odds? Come check it out. What do Soren’s come from?
[00:50:42] We the ground.
[00:50:48] All blind reproduces after its own time.
[00:50:51] What is blind going? I’ll see. There you go. Okay.
[00:50:58] There you go. So here here we have a number three person receives and accepts the seed of the word. But they’re also accepting all kinds of other seed and they stoo or the other seed more diligently than they steward the Christ seed.
[00:51:19] And by stewarding other seeds, Jesus calls them the cares of the world. There’s this staple ness of riches by stewarding those seeds more. This all number three person allows that stewardship to choke out the Christ. That’s pretty interesting. Yeah, that’s really good. So is it possible to accept Christ? Had the appearance of growing as a Christian. And yet not actually being born again, having Christ formed into you and ultimately going to heaven. Yes, it is. And this is startling and this interesting.
[00:52:05] Oh, it’s going to get a whole lot better. This is setting the stage.
[00:52:12] Now, let’s go to soil number four. This is the good soil. This is verse 23.
[00:52:19] As for what was done on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands that he indeed bears fruit and yields in one case a hundredfold and another 60 in another 30.
[00:52:36] All right, great. So does the soil accept the seed? How is the seed stewarded? Very well, very well. Is this person first off, what happens with the sea?
[00:52:55] Cared for. It’s your word. It’s helped nurture so that it can grow.
[00:53:02] All right. Is this person born again? Yes. And how do we know? Because they bear fruit. Okay. In terms of fruit. Some hundred, some 60, some 30. Notice also. It’s not the soil that bears fruit. What bears fruit? The seed is the seed that bears the fruit, not the soil. The soil is merely the womb in which the fruit is produced that produces more seed. The seed producing the fruit. In other words, it’s not us, it’s the Lord.
[00:53:52] Now, we’ve already been to always been taught. It’s Christ living through us. There’s nothing we can do of our own. The fruit of the spirit is not what we do. It’s Christ in us. This is what’s going on. It’s the sea that reproduces the fruit.
[00:54:06] It’s not the soil. We’re just the container.
[00:54:12] So now as we start to wrap up, I wanted to talk on two things. The first one is Convert’s versus Disciple’s, because I think this is what is this is kind of where where a lot of this starts to focus in on. I want to set the definition first off, let me ask you if I were to ask you to define the difference between a convert and a disciple, what would you tell me?
[00:54:40] A disciple to me is one who has a desire and longing for teaching.
[00:54:46] And then.
[00:54:48] Finding someone else and seeing that same quality in someone else.
[00:54:53] Kind of like a leader, a good leader is going to look for someone who also wants to be a leader. And they’re going to raise up that leader.
[00:55:01] Right. Let me.
[00:55:08] Give a simple definition that that I like to include a convert is going to be someone who accepts Christ right.
[00:55:21] But a disciple is going to be someone who follows Christ. And I think there’s a difference.
[00:55:29] Does that make sense? Absolutely. I was watching this great documentary on the underground Iranian church and they had people from the church talking and everything and sharing, and it was really cool. But one of the guys made a really interesting comment, Converts versus Disciple’s. Here’s what he says. Disciples for the world and cling to Jesus till he comes.
[00:55:57] Converts don’t. Disciples are not engage in a culture war. Converts are disciples. Cherish, obey and share the word of God. Converts don’t. Disciples choose Jesus over anything and everything else. Converts don’t. Converts run when the fire comes, disciples don’t mean that cool. So can you see a difference between merely accepting Christ, which is a convert, versus following Christ? Can you see that difference in the four soils?
[00:56:35] Sure. Absolutely. Okay.
[00:56:38] So the obvious question, but which of those soils are the disciples?
[00:56:45] The last one.
[00:56:46] Number four, which went to their convert’s.
[00:56:57] I would say probably number two. It could be three or four years.
[00:57:06] So technically, I guess you could say was two, three and four. The converse, because they all accept Christ to a degree. They all received the word with joy, but only soil for is the disciple who actually pursues Christ. So back to my original question. Does everyone who accepts Christ go to heaven? No. Okay, so you change your answer now, right?
[00:57:35] Okay. So wrapping up. Let me share what this parable I think teaches us. No one’s really kind of cool.
[00:57:43] I think there shows that to a degree. Now, these aren’t exactly accurate. But we can kind of pull some some things out of this parable shows that there are actually two stages of obtaining eternal life, two stages of the kingdom of heaven within us.
[00:58:02] First is the seed is sown and the soul has to accept it. But second, after accepting the soul has to steward, it produces Morsey. And without that stewarding and without the production of fruit.
[00:58:21] Which is the seed being reformed in you then? Then your you haven’t gone that second stage of stewarding it. Let me show you this also turned to Matthew three eight two three eight. This is John the Baptist. He’s talking the Pharisees. And if you remember, John the Baptist comes baptizing with water for forgiveness, basically repentance leading toward forgiveness. A little bit different type baptism than baptism as a new believer. But reading Matthew three eight.
[00:58:59] Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
[00:59:03] So now we have fruit again. Do you think this fruit might be similar to the fruit that Jesus is talking about?
[00:59:09] Yes.
[00:59:11] And then you have bear fruit in keeping with what?
[00:59:14] Repentance.
[00:59:16] And what was the key message that Jesus came preaching or intent for the Kingdom of God is near.
[00:59:23] So we see all these all these same characters keep coming back up and cycling around.
[00:59:27] Does that make sense? Yeah. So if we have repented. We will bear fruit if we have not repented. We won’t bear fruit. Repentance is a key to bearing fruit. I would say repentance is a key to stewarding the sea.
[00:59:47] Right. So when I started this study, I was kind of amazing what I found. And as I started to pursue it further, what’s really cool is I start to see this pattern throughout all of scripture, but specifically in the New Testament where this is highlighted. So what we’re going to do not on today’s call is because we’re at the end of the time. But as we go through, I want to start to dissect and open up a lot of these not only the parables, but the epistles and some more things that Jesus says and just kind of show this whole picture of what’s going on. And here’s to value. So the question is, well, what’s so important about this?
[01:00:28] Well, obviously, it’s important if God puts it in there, but how does it change what we do not want to share? Kind of how it changed for me. But first, let me ask you, do you remember there is a section in the Bible that is called the Great Commission. You remember the great commission. Do you remember the first you know where it is?
[01:00:48] I feel like it’s. Go go to Matthew. 28 a day.
[01:00:58] Well, it is the very end, Matthew, in Revelations is the end of God’s word. So you could have the end, right.
[01:01:06] The great commission, verse sixteen through twenty.
[01:01:11] Looks like somewhere in there. Let’s begin with all the authority has been.
[01:01:20] Jesus came and said to the disciples, all authority and heaven on earth has been given to me. Go therefore, and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I had commanded you. And they hold. I am with you always to the very end of the age.
[01:01:41] Great. So where did go out and share the gospel. Is that right? Go out and evangelize. Yeah. Okay. Now that’s different than sharing the gospel.
[01:01:56] Make disciples go therefore make disciple.
[01:01:59] Yeah. Okay. So you’re going to heaven. Is not the reason Jesus came. But it’s a part of the kingdom of God. Sharing the gospel is not the great commission, but it’s part. Of making disciples. You got to share the gospel to make a disciple. Yeah, that’s true. So this is the focus. This is the thing that really hit me as I’ve come through here. Our focus isn’t let’s go evangelize. That’s important. It’s not the focus of what the Lord is called us to do is to make disciples. And the reason it’s so important is only the disciples are the ones for Christ has formed in them. It’s not enough just to go share the gospel. It’s not enough just to quote unquote live as a Christian. We’ve got to help those people that we are around to steward the seed well, and we have to be careful that we steward the seed well as well. And if we’re stewarding our say, well, it will produce fruit and fruit will manifest itself by the fruit dropping off a tree, say, going back in the ground and reproducing. So we’re going to see more of this. But anyway, we’ll stop there. But before we wrap up the call, any thoughts or observations that are hitting you?
[01:03:26] Gosh, as always, just eye opening to see scriptures revealed in a way that you don’t necessarily ponder and consider on a regular basis.
[01:03:39] I thought it was great. I love the just the analogies between the seed and Jesus and the fruit. And it was really good. It was really good. I enjoyed it. Great. All right. Thank you so much for today. Thank you so much for your expertise. The time again that you put into studying and preparing this message for the listeners. Anything else that you want to share with our listeners before we say goodbye?
[01:04:09] Just make sure you listen to. If you’re not listening to our podcast, but you’re just kind of get this on the Web site. Go to depending on which podcast you’re on. Get cellar’s calling you what we do for real estate or we have get radical faith, which is just the radical faith podcast by himself. Go back. There’s a lot of great content there. And the other thing I would really encourage is there’s a lot of stuff here. Don’t listen to one time and say, I got it. Go back and really absorb it. Take some time. Pull out your Bible, read and see what you can see the words in print as you go through this and you’ll get a lot more out of it.
[01:04:49] Yes. Such great wisdom. Such great wisdom. Well, thank you. And we thank you to all of you who are listening. And we hope you all have a blessed day. And we’ll see you next time.
[01:04:59] Thanks, Beatty. Thank you. Be blessed. Thanks.
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